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故事的主角是一个沉默的独行杀手（Isaach De Bankolé 饰），他永远只点两杯咖啡，在无聊的时候练习太极，不为任何诱惑所动。某日，他接受一项神秘的任务，随后启程前往西班牙马德里。在这里他必须...阁楼男女猛于炮火护儿使者故宫100初恋功夫机器侠之南拳神探柯晨大指挥家 弦上的真相我会回来过圣诞（国语版）玩的就是艳遇魔法师的学徒独臂拳王女足悍将和全世界一起爱你今晚开放麦第二季立花登青春手控制特别篇鬼手传奇之听风瓶异乡故事多龙芝俄罗斯野生老虎汤姆·赛格拉:球霸冲锋车粤语难以忽视的真相神父俱乐部贵客光临1990我的少女时代2015功夫熊猫：神龙骑士第三季鲨滩双赢初冬彩虹线初代吸血鬼第五季小店看中国卡门2022生命花七小汪警犬队2023曙光初现时的最后阴影幽灵军团血域燃烧西藏往事2011
故事的主角是一个沉默的独行杀手（Isaach De Bankolé 饰），他永远只点两杯咖啡，在无聊的时候练习太极，不为任何诱惑所动。某日，他接受一项神秘的任务，随后启程前往西班牙马德里。在这里他必须...阁楼男女猛于炮火护儿使者故宫100初恋功夫机器侠之南拳神探柯晨大指挥家 弦上的真相我会回来过圣诞（国语版）玩的就是艳遇魔法师的学徒独臂拳王女足悍将和全世界一起爱你今晚开放麦第二季立花登青春手控制特别篇鬼手传奇之听风瓶异乡故事多龙芝俄罗斯野生老虎汤姆·赛格拉:球霸冲锋车粤语难以忽视的真相神父俱乐部贵客光临1990我的少女时代2015功夫熊猫：神龙骑士第三季鲨滩双赢初冬彩虹线初代吸血鬼第五季小店看中国卡门2022生命花七小汪警犬队2023曙光初现时的最后阴影幽灵军团血域燃烧西藏往事2011
长篇影评
1 ) 控制的极限便是控制内心
一个杀手，或许根本不是杀手的一个人的一次内心净化之旅。音乐，电影，性欲，科学，药品都是诱惑，而现实是丑恶的，最后“杀手”运用“imagination”杀死了作为“现实” 的黑帮老大。
看过ghost dog 的人能更加理解这个电影，从很长时间起，jarmusch开始关注内心，ghost dog和现在说的‘控制的极限’都表达他对东方哲学的一种理解，即物质是虚幻的，完成内心的修炼就可以改变整个世界，杀手完成了内心的修炼，脱下工作服换上轻松的运动装完成涅槃。
所谓控制的极限，控制的极限便是控制内心。
看过ghost dog 的人能更加理解这个电影，从很长时间起，jarmusch开始关注内心，ghost dog和现在说的‘控制的极限’都表达他对东方哲学的一种理解，即物质是虚幻的，完成内心的修炼就可以改变整个世界，杀手完成了内心的修炼，脱下工作服换上轻松的运动装完成涅槃。
所谓控制的极限，控制的极限便是控制内心。
2 ) 不是虚望，便是虚无
这是一部反现代化的电影。黑人主人公崇尚东方的太极，不喜欢用手机，用吉他弦作为凶器，永远住在破旧的老房子里，火柴盒是他和同伴联络的媒介。最后，主人公杀死了那个自诩控制了世界的冰冷而森严的大人物，似乎宣告了反抗力量依然存在，以及对现代化的质疑。
音乐，电影，科学，和幻觉分段出现，被描述成一种与这个世界更本质的联系。主人公在漫长的蓄力，以期待最后一击。
这是一个类似于放弃理解真实世界的可能性，并寻求虚无的想象力统治世界的过程。所有的对话是电影的中心，多次出现了被布包住的画，生命是尘土，而世界是不可知的。只有想象力才能自我拯救。
最后，认为能控制世界固然是一种很愚蠢的思路，但认为能够夺回这种控制权同样的简单粗暴，哪怕有虚无主义做武器。
从完全控制到无可控制，现代化只是一个牺牲品，再一次证明了我们的无知。
被虚无主义征服了的现代化，就是后现代。
音乐，电影，科学，和幻觉分段出现，被描述成一种与这个世界更本质的联系。主人公在漫长的蓄力，以期待最后一击。
这是一个类似于放弃理解真实世界的可能性，并寻求虚无的想象力统治世界的过程。所有的对话是电影的中心，多次出现了被布包住的画，生命是尘土，而世界是不可知的。只有想象力才能自我拯救。
最后，认为能控制世界固然是一种很愚蠢的思路，但认为能够夺回这种控制权同样的简单粗暴，哪怕有虚无主义做武器。
从完全控制到无可控制，现代化只是一个牺牲品，再一次证明了我们的无知。
被虚无主义征服了的现代化，就是后现代。
3 ) music
The sound track of this one is fucking genius. Handmade,hand-picked in another sense, it's just natural. Though the pictures are filmed beautifully, each still image makes a pretty painting when takes out, they are just not comfortable to look at, not even closer in the way that music drew you in.
At the same time, sound tracks didn't drive you crazy, not at all beyond it's role-- it didnt make the happening overwhelming. Fuck, cheers to whomever made it, good job!
Btw, honey you are the closest person in my mind that could make this kind of thing, why don't you quit yr job and do this?
At the same time, sound tracks didn't drive you crazy, not at all beyond it's role-- it didnt make the happening overwhelming. Fuck, cheers to whomever made it, good job!
Btw, honey you are the closest person in my mind that could make this kind of thing, why don't you quit yr job and do this?
4 ) 《控制的极限》：它尽力向电影这一门艺术的本质靠拢
这是吉姆·贾木许对于创作本体论的一个自我表达。是他的一个梦。因为他在影片中说，一部好的电影跟梦是分不开的。这会让人想起梦的解析家费里尼说的，“梦的象征意味是跟电影密不可分的。”当习惯了黑白摄影的贾木许去到西班牙，决定往他的赛璐珞上泼洒绚丽的色彩时，他必然是小心翼翼的，在让颜色丰富他的梦境的同时，又让它变得异常简单。作为贾木许的一个关键作品，《控制的极限》实际上保持着一种活跃的简单性，主题上的阐述也尽力向电影这一门艺术的本质靠拢，因此它是纯粹的，像诗歌，像音乐。贾木许不是讲得太多，从而让观众变得不耐烦，而是说得过于易懂，使得他的读者惊异，甚至质疑，这会不会是那个拍摄了《离魂异客》的作者最不应该拿出手的作品。它的经典有赖于从一个全景式的视角审视他的电影：缺少了它，他的电影不会因此模糊，但有它的存在，托起贾木许电影的那一套自足的美学会像岩石一样更加坚实。
5 ) 像一部小说
影片讲了一个杀手的任务之旅，充满诗意。依然是反戏剧性的设计。当迷幻喜剧片看的话就挺不错。基本就是讲这个杀手和一个又一个的人接头的过程，最终杀掉目标，然后踏上下一段任务之旅。
这部影片有非常重的后面《唯爱永生》、《帕特森》甚至是《丧尸未至》的影子。但想讲的可能跟这三部比都少多了。感觉像是在实验用影像配合迷幻乐表达那些感受。但真的很棒。比如几次主角看画、一次下地铁与一个坐着的老人对视、喝咖啡的时候看路人等。充满诗意…（这种表达也在后面《帕特森》里达到一种顶峰）
配乐上非常像唯爱永生，用了大量小调五声的迷幻乐，以吉他为主。用法也和唯爱永生的相似。加强人物感受的张力，非常有贾木许的风格，特别喜欢。
摄影上也像唯爱永生，但不得不说和唯爱永生比差多了。这部影片和早期的也挺不同，开始用了不少特写。但个人感觉确实差点意思，感觉像是后面风格的萌芽阶段。
6 ) FILM OF THE WEEK (AND INTERVIEW
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May 1, 2009
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FILM OF THE WEEK (AND INTERVIEW): The Limits of Control
Jim Jarmusch, THE LIMITS OF CONTROL Who knew that a Jim Jarmusch film could be the most divisive of the year thus far? I'm not ready to address The Limits of Control and all the knee-jerk, unconstructive naysayings I've read that don't actually engage with what the film is or how it does (or doesn't) work, at least until I see it a second time, since I was too mesmerized by the experience to take many notes. In lieu of that, I present to you the extended version of an interview I did with Jarmusch for IFC.com, the first part of which can be found here.
GREENCINE DAILY: Wong Kar-Wai once told me that when working with cinematographer Christopher Doyle, they share a largely unspoken, instinctual shorthand with one another. Was your relationship with Doyle similar?
JIM JARMUSCH: We were more the opposite, man. We talked and talked and talked incessantly. When I was preparing, he would come to New York for a week and a half at a time, maybe three times. We spent every day together for eight hours, just talking about the film, not about the film, about things we saw on the street, about photographs Chris had taken, looking at unrelated things, and listening to music. I've known Chris quite a long time, 12 or 15 years. I love just talking to him about anything. He's very quick, so sometimes he'll say things to me, philosophical things we're discussing that I don't understand what his point is, and then a few days later when I'm not with him, I'll be thinking it over and be like, "Oh! I see what he meant." I don't know if I'm just slow, or if his ideas are hard to enter sometimes.
Isaach De Bankolé, THE LIMITS OF CONTROL Speaking of music, I'm a big Boris fan, who is all over the soundtrack. I read that you had already planned to fill the film with this conceptual Japanese noise-rock while still sketching it out. What's your process of matching image to music?
When I'm writing or trying to think up an idea for a film, I hone in on music that seems to open up my imagination for that particular world in my head. That happens very early over and over, like Neil Young for Dead Man, or [for Ghost Dog,] RZA's beats and instrumental tracks on the B-sides of vinyl Wu-Tang stuff I was collecting. Or Mulatu Astatge in Broken Flowers was inspiring me, and I was like, "How the hell do I get Ethiopian music in a film about a guy in the suburbs?" So then it led me to have Jeffrey Wright's character be of Ethiopian origin. In this case, it was Boris and Sunn 0))), and that electric feedback-y soundscape stuff they make that I love so much. Those things came very early, while I was even just writing the 25-page treatment—well, it was more like a prose short story that we started from. So they were sort of in a little boat I was in, going down the river. I had them inspiring me. Then I got Earth in the movie and a lot of great stuff. I love the Black Angels, but I only used a little instrumental piece at the end of their song, "You on the Run." Anyway, those things were there very early, but the music always leads me. That's always happened.
Tilda Swinton, on the set of THE LIMITS OF CONTROLI stay abreast of new music by geeking out on music blogs, but how do you find all this cool music? Do you still go to a lot of record stores, or do friends keep you tuned in to new artists?
I'm not a Web guy because I don't have a computer, although I often ask people to look stuff up for me. I don't know, it's sort of a general antenna because I love music. You know, there are music stores that in the past I depended on a lot, like Final Vinyl, that used to be great to order things anywhere in the world that were in print, or what's his name, that little shop on Bowery just south of 8th street. Damn, I love that guy. He's always been really cool. There's Other Music, and in New Paltz, there's Rhino Records that is really run unlike any kind of Rhino chain—the guy there, Rick, is amazing. Those record stores are important, but they've been less so for me recently, maybe because I haven't stopped in very much. I always read the British music press, and I try to listen to what underground radio exists, or college-type radio. I'm just always scanning, and I've always been that way, like, music, music, music. I love to get playlists off of [Jersey City's] WFMU or WVKR in Poughkeepsie—Vassar has a good radio station. WFUV has a good morning show in New York, and there's some underground hip-hop shows on WKCR, the Columbia station. There's the beautiful Sunday morning country shows that I listen to, classic country.
I love radio, and I love finding things randomly. Like, I don't have TiVO for TV because I keep thinking, "Well, then I'll just program everything and I won't scan," and scanning is when you find things you weren't expecting. Not that TV isn't, for the most part, a big wasteland of garbage. But you do learn things if you scan around, more than if you have a programmed idea of what you're going to watch. I don't watch that much TV. I watch Turner Classic Movies, science shows and Antiques Roadshow, you know this one? I love Antiques Roadshow. I have this thing I always imagine. Okay, they think suddenly, they have some vase and it's worth $8,000, you know? I always equate it to: what kind of a used car could they buy with it? [Jarmusch makes a sad horn noise] "You can buy a 1986 Honda Civic!" I don't know why I do that... I'm going off in stupid places.
Bill Murray, surrogate Dick Cheney No, I appreciate it. Now, I know why Bill Murray is so great in your films, but what's so great about working with him? In the press notes for this film, you mentioned that you two liked to "talk around the character."
Yeah, we like to talk about it in the past. What's really fascinating about Bill is that, since I've known him, his procedure is always evolving. When I first worked with him in Coffee and Cigarettes, he wanted to pretty much improvise everything, and he didn't want to talk about it or rehearse it. Then with Broken Flowers, no rehearsing, no specifics, but we would take long, long walks for hours at a time, and talk about things that eventually affected our idea of that character. I thought he would improvise a lot, and he said, "I want to stick close to the script." Then in this film, he said, "I want to rehearse, and I want to do the dialogue as written. I don't want to add anything." So that was even a different step. He's just an interesting work in progress. I'm always a little surprised, like, "How does he want to approach it this time?"
That's fun, and I learn a lot from Bill about a lot of things, especially human nature. His capacity to observe and feel what people are feeling, even strangers, is uncanny. I've seen him numerous times run out of his way to help somebody try to get something out of the trunk of their car, or help with their luggage at the airport, or in a restaurant, talk to someone he doesn't even know that looks sort of down. He'll go over and respond to that: "Hey, the world hasn't ended yet, what's going on?" Amazing. He's really observant with compassion, so I love to just hang out with Bill and see how he's going to react to what we encounter in the world. I learn more from that, maybe, than anything specifically about acting, preparing or filmmaking, because it's all intertwined in the end. I really liked having him play somebody with not an ounce of humor this time, which might be frustrating for people's expectations. I don't know, that's not my problem. I choose the actors I want for the best collaboration to create something, and I really liked him being nasty and condescending. Every fucking school principal or authority figure I've ever had in my life has always, at some point, said, "You just don't understand how the world really works." Hearing Bill's character say those lines for me, I don't know. I certainly heard that a lot in my life.
The Limits of Control opens today in New York and Los Angeles, then expands to more cities beginning May 8. For more information, visit the official website.
May 1, 2009
http://daily.greencine.com/archives/007443.html#more
FILM OF THE WEEK (AND INTERVIEW): The Limits of Control
Jim Jarmusch, THE LIMITS OF CONTROL Who knew that a Jim Jarmusch film could be the most divisive of the year thus far? I'm not ready to address The Limits of Control and all the knee-jerk, unconstructive naysayings I've read that don't actually engage with what the film is or how it does (or doesn't) work, at least until I see it a second time, since I was too mesmerized by the experience to take many notes. In lieu of that, I present to you the extended version of an interview I did with Jarmusch for IFC.com, the first part of which can be found here.
GREENCINE DAILY: Wong Kar-Wai once told me that when working with cinematographer Christopher Doyle, they share a largely unspoken, instinctual shorthand with one another. Was your relationship with Doyle similar?
JIM JARMUSCH: We were more the opposite, man. We talked and talked and talked incessantly. When I was preparing, he would come to New York for a week and a half at a time, maybe three times. We spent every day together for eight hours, just talking about the film, not about the film, about things we saw on the street, about photographs Chris had taken, looking at unrelated things, and listening to music. I've known Chris quite a long time, 12 or 15 years. I love just talking to him about anything. He's very quick, so sometimes he'll say things to me, philosophical things we're discussing that I don't understand what his point is, and then a few days later when I'm not with him, I'll be thinking it over and be like, "Oh! I see what he meant." I don't know if I'm just slow, or if his ideas are hard to enter sometimes.
Isaach De Bankolé, THE LIMITS OF CONTROL Speaking of music, I'm a big Boris fan, who is all over the soundtrack. I read that you had already planned to fill the film with this conceptual Japanese noise-rock while still sketching it out. What's your process of matching image to music?
When I'm writing or trying to think up an idea for a film, I hone in on music that seems to open up my imagination for that particular world in my head. That happens very early over and over, like Neil Young for Dead Man, or [for Ghost Dog,] RZA's beats and instrumental tracks on the B-sides of vinyl Wu-Tang stuff I was collecting. Or Mulatu Astatge in Broken Flowers was inspiring me, and I was like, "How the hell do I get Ethiopian music in a film about a guy in the suburbs?" So then it led me to have Jeffrey Wright's character be of Ethiopian origin. In this case, it was Boris and Sunn 0))), and that electric feedback-y soundscape stuff they make that I love so much. Those things came very early, while I was even just writing the 25-page treatment—well, it was more like a prose short story that we started from. So they were sort of in a little boat I was in, going down the river. I had them inspiring me. Then I got Earth in the movie and a lot of great stuff. I love the Black Angels, but I only used a little instrumental piece at the end of their song, "You on the Run." Anyway, those things were there very early, but the music always leads me. That's always happened.
Tilda Swinton, on the set of THE LIMITS OF CONTROLI stay abreast of new music by geeking out on music blogs, but how do you find all this cool music? Do you still go to a lot of record stores, or do friends keep you tuned in to new artists?
I'm not a Web guy because I don't have a computer, although I often ask people to look stuff up for me. I don't know, it's sort of a general antenna because I love music. You know, there are music stores that in the past I depended on a lot, like Final Vinyl, that used to be great to order things anywhere in the world that were in print, or what's his name, that little shop on Bowery just south of 8th street. Damn, I love that guy. He's always been really cool. There's Other Music, and in New Paltz, there's Rhino Records that is really run unlike any kind of Rhino chain—the guy there, Rick, is amazing. Those record stores are important, but they've been less so for me recently, maybe because I haven't stopped in very much. I always read the British music press, and I try to listen to what underground radio exists, or college-type radio. I'm just always scanning, and I've always been that way, like, music, music, music. I love to get playlists off of [Jersey City's] WFMU or WVKR in Poughkeepsie—Vassar has a good radio station. WFUV has a good morning show in New York, and there's some underground hip-hop shows on WKCR, the Columbia station. There's the beautiful Sunday morning country shows that I listen to, classic country.
I love radio, and I love finding things randomly. Like, I don't have TiVO for TV because I keep thinking, "Well, then I'll just program everything and I won't scan," and scanning is when you find things you weren't expecting. Not that TV isn't, for the most part, a big wasteland of garbage. But you do learn things if you scan around, more than if you have a programmed idea of what you're going to watch. I don't watch that much TV. I watch Turner Classic Movies, science shows and Antiques Roadshow, you know this one? I love Antiques Roadshow. I have this thing I always imagine. Okay, they think suddenly, they have some vase and it's worth $8,000, you know? I always equate it to: what kind of a used car could they buy with it? [Jarmusch makes a sad horn noise] "You can buy a 1986 Honda Civic!" I don't know why I do that... I'm going off in stupid places.
Bill Murray, surrogate Dick Cheney No, I appreciate it. Now, I know why Bill Murray is so great in your films, but what's so great about working with him? In the press notes for this film, you mentioned that you two liked to "talk around the character."
Yeah, we like to talk about it in the past. What's really fascinating about Bill is that, since I've known him, his procedure is always evolving. When I first worked with him in Coffee and Cigarettes, he wanted to pretty much improvise everything, and he didn't want to talk about it or rehearse it. Then with Broken Flowers, no rehearsing, no specifics, but we would take long, long walks for hours at a time, and talk about things that eventually affected our idea of that character. I thought he would improvise a lot, and he said, "I want to stick close to the script." Then in this film, he said, "I want to rehearse, and I want to do the dialogue as written. I don't want to add anything." So that was even a different step. He's just an interesting work in progress. I'm always a little surprised, like, "How does he want to approach it this time?"
That's fun, and I learn a lot from Bill about a lot of things, especially human nature. His capacity to observe and feel what people are feeling, even strangers, is uncanny. I've seen him numerous times run out of his way to help somebody try to get something out of the trunk of their car, or help with their luggage at the airport, or in a restaurant, talk to someone he doesn't even know that looks sort of down. He'll go over and respond to that: "Hey, the world hasn't ended yet, what's going on?" Amazing. He's really observant with compassion, so I love to just hang out with Bill and see how he's going to react to what we encounter in the world. I learn more from that, maybe, than anything specifically about acting, preparing or filmmaking, because it's all intertwined in the end. I really liked having him play somebody with not an ounce of humor this time, which might be frustrating for people's expectations. I don't know, that's not my problem. I choose the actors I want for the best collaboration to create something, and I really liked him being nasty and condescending. Every fucking school principal or authority figure I've ever had in my life has always, at some point, said, "You just don't understand how the world really works." Hearing Bill's character say those lines for me, I don't know. I certainly heard that a lot in my life.
The Limits of Control opens today in New York and Los Angeles, then expands to more cities beginning May 8. For more information, visit the official website.
沉闷
And I suppose you believe that by eliminating me, you will eliminate control over some fucking artificial reality. 不是谋杀的杀手，用琴弦诛杀号称音乐与电影等艺术为毒药的“政客”？用绿色的火柴和双份浓缩咖啡来表达极简而繁复的镜头语言。
“自认为比别人都大的家伙一定要去墓地，在那里他将懂得什么是真实的世界！”……贾木许说此舞入影纯属巧合。通过与女舞者聊天得知，她专门表演一种太极式的弗拉门戈，全是手部的慢动作，叫做贝特涅拉斯，由于历史厄运等缘故，算是弗拉门戈音乐家们的某种禁忌，所以都不太爱去表演。此舞多以死亡和爱情悲剧为主题，导演请她为控制的极限创作一段，几周后……就是大家在片中见到的。
3.5/5。装逼的极限。杀手鼻孔君是《鬼狗杀手》的配角，面瘫，练气功，喜吃纸，很可能是阳痿。
贾木许是不是相当喜欢拍这样多语言的电影？一个漫画感十足的黑人，两杯等待的咖啡，一些戴墨镜的家伙，红绿火柴盒的信息传递，以及一个注定要被意念诛杀的Bill Murray， BM在僵尸之地中客串的也不错。红绿火柴盒其实就跟黑客帝国里的那俩药丸一样。这电影给我的感觉相当神棍。
Spectacular! He knew how to control the pace and he knew when to push the limit。。。冷艳从容
多么好看的一部贾木许电影啊，我简直快要晕厥了！对于迷恋贾木许的淫来说，这简直太好懂太直白了，沉浸在自身幻想中的骚逼，都直接去谋杀某种现实了，囧。但片子整个就是好看啊好看！
我睡着了
如果老贾能将片子的节奏X4，那么会有更多的人挑大拇哥，不过对于失眠，夜间思考动物们来说，这片儿绝了~
保持沉默 抬高鼻孔 拒绝枪炮手机 坚持太极 坚持两杯咖啡 一杯品味另一杯来消灭交际 如此修炼必能突破极限 享受生命的虚无轻佻！
正合口味
贾木许的杀手片，跟大伙的都不一样。西部片死人已阅，差个武士片鬼狗
眼睛女的乳房不对称
这是贾木许向科波拉的《没有青春的青春》回应的作品么？庄子学说？除了后摇的音乐和杜可风完美的风光片摄影，整部电影皆是虚妄，我也像杀手一样控制住了自我的极限~
不知所云，但却居然很舒服。整体情绪和结构，被控制得如一首处处冲突密集而不发轫的Ambient Doom。算是贾木许在展现自己的太极修炼。
杀手咖啡喝了一路,纸条也吃了一路.,听了一路艺术讲座.
杀手是从自己鼻孔里潜入堡垒刺杀比尔默瑞的……
吃太多纸鼻孔会变大
很多做作 有趣 周而复始的片段。"你会讲西班牙语吗?" "两杯espresso 分两杯装" 国家艺术博物馆。。。。讲不出好坏，但是我看的很开心。而且最令人惊喜的是，男主的神游的时候我也莫名的在神游，所以所有干涩沉默的片段我都直接跳过了。。。
我觉得副题可以叫做 文艺青年意淫记 现实中的主角肯定是一白人、以为自己很文艺，老去798看画，迷恋中国功夫实则手无缚鸡之力，未婚爱看毛片，愤青，生活很不规律，不会说西班牙语，没吃过纸，其实觉得咖啡很难喝但是每天都强迫自己喝以显示品味。。。总之和电影反着理解就行了 哈哈